General decline in platform reliability

Hi Noloco team,

First of all, please know that this comes from a place of love. Fantastic team, fantastic product. But, it’s not perfect (obviously), as no product is. But lately, there have just been a noticeable increase in bugs…

  • Workflows not firing for long periods of time or not firing at all,
  • Very simple workflows erroring with no discernable reason
  • Permissions failing to save with an indecipherable error warning
  • Random “there are issues with your app” pop-ups that offer you to “fix” your issues and after loading goes away
  • Not being able to use certain static dropdown values in Ul visibility conditions
  • Inconsistencies in light vs dark mode, for example the backlink element wasn’t visible in dark mode
  • Simple field name changes breaking things in Noloco with the only solution being the engineers fixing something on their end
  • Filters in Noloco Tables not applying to the data until you undo it, then reapply the filter a second time
  • DocsAutomator integration breaking which crippled one of my client’s sales teams for like 4 or 5 days, and many other issues

What has surprised me most, is that several of these issues have been resolved in the past, and have come back (like not being able to choose a static dropdown value within certain Ul visibility conditions).

Yes, some of my issues ended up being user error due to edge-cases or overlooked permissions configs on my end, but the majority have not been user error. Additionally, most of the issues have come up when working with Noloco Tables as the app datasource. I find that building with it takes probably 2x longer than building with Airtable, is significantly less reliable (e.g. the bugs above), and is very limiting for many use-cases compared to what you can do when using Airtable as the backend.

As a side note, apart from “Get record” and “Create record”, the Make integration feels very incomplete (the mappable outputs when working with Noloco Collections are messy and seem unstructured, I’ve run into many errors), and most critically you can’t work with files apart from tapping into your app’s GraphQL API. I realize this point is not in-line with my post’s title, but is rather more of a subpoint that a lot of your customer base would probably love a bit more attention to polishing core functionality and integration basics.

One of the biggest friction points for me which is honestly dampening my experience as a service provider and impeding my efficiency is that tickets often automatically close after only 3 days which leads your customers and service providers to create a duplicate ticket for that same issue since the original conversation auto-ended. I can’t count how many times l’ve created duplicate tickets in the last three weeks or so, and I can’t afford to spend time re-creating context/tickets for the support team, and I’m sure it’s also a headache for your team to receive multiple tickets for the same issue and customer.

Lastly, I was apprehensive about posting this (and originally deleted it) because I really think Noloco is a fantastic no-code app builder, and my personal favorite. I don’t want it to come across with a sour tone or push people to move away. I also didn’t want to post this and potentially be the only one saying these things, however I’ve recently received validation from others experiencing the same things. For example, one person told me that in recent weeks their Noloco app is riddled with bugs and overall performance and reliability are “falling apart” (that’s probably a bit dramatic, as my own clients still have their apps running even through the bugs, and their businesses remain operational, apart from one particular bug in the last week that broke half of my client’s app for several days :sweat_smile: )

I’ve been excited to see some of the recent feature releases (Spaces, Stripe, and more) but am starting to care less about those given some of the fragility I’m feeling this year around the core functionality. Again, Noloco is my favorite, but at the end of the day the stark difference in building in a platform like Glide is that I almost never run into bugs. I believe I can recall one single bug in my experience building apps with Glide.

I think at the end of the day I’m just curious if other things are going on under-the-hood that are upstream from these issues, like changes or experimentation from the dev team, and if there’s clear direction on the roadmap for addressing some of the product’s apparent fragility. It’s been a very rocky quarter and l’d love to hear if something can be done about the automatic ticket closure, and if any extra insight can be provided into anything above!

Thank you so much!

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I’ll second this one, seen it at least once a day over the last few weeks, no complaints from the end users so I just press fix and move on.

Id also add, performance seems to have suffered in that same timeframe. Sometimes, pages freeze on simple tables or charts, only solution is to close and reopen. If I leave my desk for 5 minutes to grab a tea, its very often froze on return, again a close/open fixes it.

Still love Noloco, its made our workflows quick and easy to get up and running and support is fantastic. My points above are small niggles, the app works and users don’t complain.

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i have definitely noticed things don’t seem to run as smoothly as i’d like them too. i also second your point that i absolutely love noloco and what it offers. i’ve not found another service like it. just would be nice if things could be tightened up and function more smoothly as they are and that be the primary focus, if it’s not already, over new integrations and features. here’s to hoping for a long relationship with noloco and years of successful building ahead! cheers

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Absolutely agree! : )

I’m currently in the process of migrating from another no-code platform to Noloco and have also run into a few hiccups along the way. But like many others, I absolutely love Noloco and their approach to no-code.

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Unfortunately I also have to say that we’ve been experiencing a lot more Bugs the last 4-8 weeks than we have before.
In our case it was mostly affecting end Users so I did get a lot of complaints.
We ended up contacting support via E-Mail at some point in hopes of figuring out what is going on. So far communication went well and I’m optimistic things will be resolved soon!

But overall I am quite torn on Noloco these days. In terms of functionality I think its great in many ways, especially action/record buttons are great.

On the other hand the user experience in the editor is subpar, the UI of the apps is all over the place and it feels like most of the updates of the last 12 month are rushed and not really finished. There is a lot of small bugs and usability issues in many places and it doesn’t seem like anyone is bothered to fix them.

At this point, its becoming more and more frustrating overall.
At the same time, there is no official product roadmap so everything feels quite uncertain. In the last Product update video, AI was the main talking point. Tbh I dont care about AI at all, I’d rather have bugs fixed, the lastest features working properly and have some of the many features implemented, that are on the wishlist of many users (Copy&Paste, Templates etc).

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Not jumping into the pile on but, here’s one of the issues I keep bumping into, and again this is admin/editor related, not end user so no complaints.

4 times in the last 90 minutes I have had this while editing a simple chart or table. Just spins and spins until I close and reopen. Not a big issue in the scheme of things but annoying none the less. This time I’ve left it for 10+ minute and still spinning.

Currently on 940Mbps connection, 16GB ram so probably not a local issue, happy to be proven wrong though :smiling_face:

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Hey everyone, thanks for airing out your concerns.

I want to let you know we do hear you.

I also apologise for the delay, I took a few days off and this got burried in hundreds of other notifications.

First and foremost, I want to stress that reliability and usability improvements are our number one priority, and have been for many months. That is exactly why since our team has doubled, the rate at which we launch things has halved. We’re not prioritizing many new things, instead we’re working through a big backlog of small things, things you wouldn’t notice, or would expect in the first place.

In general, we know there’s been one or two particularly rough patches, for some users in particular over the past 2-3 months, but all I can say is that we did our best to resolve those unforseen issues, communicate clearly and prioritize getting our users’s apps working as before.

To address some of the specific feedback:

Workflows not firing for long periods of time or not firing at all,

We have no record of this, nor has it been flagged with our Support team. When we do have delays in workflow runs, we publish it on our Status Page and there’s been 1-2 instances of such in the past couple of months, with delays ranging from 10mins to several hours. In each case, all workflows were ran as expected, after the delays.

  • Very simple workflows erroring with no discernable reason
  • Permissions failing to save with an indecipherable error warning

As a nocode tool, we always leans on not giving too technical errors, so if you run into something you can’t solve yourself, we encourage you to reach out to our support team who can investigate further and engage with Engineering if necessary.

If there’s an error that’s not descriptive in Workflows, it’s unlikely that you’ll be able to resolve it yourself anyway.

Random “there are issues with your app” pop-ups that offer you to “fix” your issues and after loading goes away

While these might seem random, this screen is just the fallback error page, the issues are fixed once the page reloads, and the issues aren’t crucial, we just flag them when there’s an error because 20% of the time it can fix the issue without getting out support team involved.

Not being able to use certain static dropdown values in Ul visibility conditions

This isn’t us adding or removing features, in cases like this you’ve usually come across an edge case that hasn’t been implemented yet, even if it looks completely the same as another part of the builder which does have that functionality - usually it’s easy for us to add, but it’s not as centralized as we would like in some cases.

Simple field name changes breaking things in Noloco with the only solution being the engineers fixing something on their end

We 100% agree with this one, and we’ve done a huge amount of work to make this almost non-existant now. Over 50% of Noloco apps are built on Noloco tables only, and that’s been growing a lot in recent months due to the stability improvements we’ve made.

As always, if you run into something like this, our team can help you.

Filters in Noloco Tables not applying to the data until you undo it, then reapply the filter a second time

I’m not sure what you mean here @buildwithjoel - could you flag this with support, or give me more details?

DocsAutomator integration breaking which crippled one of my client’s sales teams for like 4 or 5 days, and many other issues

I don’t think I’m aware of us having any issues with DocsAutomator, if we did, it was likely due to issues with DocsAutomator themselves and nothing to do with Noloco. Or perhaps something in your configuration changed that made the workflow not work as before - this is something we can’t really avoid.

the Make integration feels very incomplete (the mappable outputs when working with Noloco Collections are messy and seem unstructured, I’ve run into many errors), and most critically you can’t work with files apart from tapping into your app’s GraphQL API

The good news here is that we’ve launched a completely new Make integration that is much better, much faster and handles file uploads natively, and all of our fields including Address, Phone Number and more.

Unfortunately we weren’t able to make this an upgrade to our existing Make module due to a limitation on how Make’s scenarios worked. We tried to work closely with the Make team to upgrade everyone but it hasn’t been possible.

You can get started with that new module here: https://www.make.com/en/integrations/noloco

One of the biggest friction points for me which is honestly dampening my experience as a service provider and impeding my efficiency is that tickets often automatically close after only 3 days

Thanks for sharing this feedback, to clarify, they’re automatically closed after 3 days of inactivity. So if we’re waiting for your response, you have 3 days to response before it’s closed. I’ve just increased this to 5 to see if it makes a difference, but this is to make it easier for our team to manage the huge number of tickets they support each day, and to make sure we’re following up with Engineering on issues, instead of waiting for weeks for responses.

To everyone else who chimed into the thread, we really do appreciate your feedback, I want you to know you’re heard.

I know you all have contacted me at different points with features you would love to see in the platform, and we’re working on it, but everyone has a long list of different priorities, so we’re working on making the core platform better than ever.

From our side, we’ve onboarded our first Product Designer, who is critically reviewing every experience and the way everything is expected to work, so expect some incredible updates to both the interface and the user experience over the next few months.

As always, if anyone has anything they would like our support team to investigate, please do let them know, that’s why they’re there.

Thanks again,

Darragh

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Great reply and much appreciated, thanks Darragh :slight_smile:

And great news regarding the new Make module and Product Designer :tada:

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Appreciate your feedback, thanks Darragh :slight_smile:

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